Thursday, January 29, 2015
Ancient Men Going Ghost Philosophy - Epictetus
Over two thousand years ago the Greeks and Romans had a name for Ghosts and they were called Stoics or Cynics. Epictetus was one of the Greek Stoic Philosophers who's ideas were written down for us by one of his students in the Discourses of Epictetus. There are three books online that I could find with this guys stuff in it but they are more or less the same.
The Golden Sayings of Epictetus
This Epictetus guy had some good advice. The idea was pretty much to focus on what is in our own power and be indifferent to what isn't. Even then, pursing or avoiding what is in our power should be done in moderation.
Ok by me, that's how Going Ghost is, a little bit of effort with a whole lot of pay off in the form of peace of mind, health of body and quality of life. It's all very simple. If I have to jump through ten plus hoops to make someone else happy so we can both be happy I'll just jump through no hoops, dump the other person and be happy myself.
If they don't like it then that is their problem. I'm not in control of them and they don't control me. I got better things to do than deal with their perpetual misery.
So anyway, here were a few of my favorite parts from all three of the books.
A man's master is he who is able to confer or remove whatever that man seeks or shuns. Whoever would be free, let him wish nothing, let him decline nothing, which depends on others; else he must necessarily be a slave.
You can be unconquerable, if you enter into no combat in which it is not in your own power to conquer.
Winning by not fighting?
But for you part, do not desire to be a general, or a senator, or a consul, but to be free; and the only way to this is a disregard of things which lie not within our own power.
Remember that it is not he who gives abuse or blows who affronts; but the view we take of these things as insulting.
If you ever happen to turn your attention to externals, for the pleasure of any one, be assured that you have ruined your scheme of life.
Be mostly silent; or speak merely what is needful, and in few words.
Avoid public and vulgar entertainments; but if ever an occasion calls you to them, keep your attention upon the stretch, that you may not imperceptibly slide into vulgarity.
There are certain things I can't avoid that are public. What goes on now days can be described as vulgar. The only way I can avoid all the BS is by going mentally Ghost even though I have to be there physically. Keeping my attention on the stretch until it is over with.
For be assured that if a person be ever so pure himself, yet, if his companion be corrupted, he who converses with him will be corrupted likewise.
You can say that again brother. Misery loves company and these Blue Pills love their misery. Oh man, it's a constant battle to keep moving and stay detached from all the negativity that goes down around me.
If anyone tells you that such a person speaks ill of you, do not make excuses about what is said of you but answer: "He was ignorant of my other faults, else he would not have mentioned these alone."
Ha, good one, that blows the wind right out of their sails. What that person is trying to do is instigate fighting between others. Like the way chicks do to men. If they can keep the pot stirred by getting others to fight it will generally keep any scrutiny off of them.
If you have assumed any character beyond your strength, you have both demeaned yourself ill in that, and quitted one which you might have supported.
Oh yes let me tell you, if people have inflated expectations of you and you meet 100% of them but don't deliver an extra 10% on top of that, you are nothing but a bag of trash and a total failure. If you play down any expectations starting off as a bag of trash then give them only 10% of the 100% you are truly capable of then suddenly you have exceeded their expectations leaving everyone astonished over this unexpected progress.
Amazing how that works.
Women from fourteen years old are flattered by men with the title of mistresses. Therefore, perceiving that they are regarded only as qualified to give men pleasure, they begin to adorn themselves, and in that to place all their hopes. It is worth while, therefore, to try that they may perceive themselves honored only so far as they appear beautiful in their demeanor, and modestly virtuous.
The more things change the more they stay the same. They aren't called mistresses now but "cool girls" and it all starts around that Hannah Montana phase which is about fourteen I guess. Now we can all see how that character turned out.
Never proclaim yourself a philosopher; nor make much talk among the ignorant about your principles, but show them by actions.
I already know not to reason with a Feminist but I need to keep reminding myself of this when I'm around Blue Pill men. They don't want to hear it and to try to unplug them can have it's consequences. Better to remain ambiguous than become the target of their animosity.
And if any one tells you that you know nothing, and you are not nettled at it, then you may be sure that you have really entered on your work.
Nettled? I think it means not annoyed or insulted by it. Perfect, don't mind me, I don't know anything.
Above all, remember that the door stands open. Be not more fearful than children; but as they, when they weary of the game, cry, “I will play no more,” even so, when thou art in the like case, cry, “I will play no more” and depart. But if thou stayest, make no lamentation.
And in some games the only winning move is not to play.
In theory it is easy to convince an ignorant person: in actual life, men not only object to offer themselves to be convinced, but hate the man who has convinced them.
Amen to that, never try to unplug anyone.
Nevertheless a man should also be prepared to be sufficient unto himself — to dwell with himself alone, even as God dwells with Himself alone, shares His repose with none, and considers the nature of His own administration, intent upon such thoughts as are meet unto Himself.
No better companion than solitude, heard that somewhere before.
“But to marry and to rear offspring,” said the young man, “will the Cynic hold himself bound to undertake this as a chief duty?”
Grant me a republic of wise men, answered Epictetus, and perhaps none will lightly take the Cynic life upon him. For on whose account should he embrace that method of life? Suppose however that he does, there will then be nothing to hinder his marrying and rearing offspring. For his wife will be even such another as himself, and likewise her father; and in like manner will his children be brought up.
But in the present condition of things, which resembles an Army in battle array, (Sounds like the way things are today if he means what I think he does.) ought not the Cynic to be free from all distraction and given wholly to the service of God, so that he can go in and out among men, neither fettered by the duties nor entangled by the relations of common life?
Hmm... what to do. Should I just Man Up and... Naaah, I choose the freedom, lolololol.
If any of you, withdrawing himself from externals, turns to his own will, to improve it by labor, and if he has learned that he who desires or avoids the things which are not in his power can either be faithful nor free, but of necessity be must change with them and be tossed about with them as in a tempest and must subject himself to others who have the power to procure or prevent what he desires or would avoid, if in every matter that occurs he works out his chief principles, this is the man who has not travelled in vain.
Oh yeah, forget about jumping through all those hoops to make someone else happy. Which can never be enough or done anyway because they will just keep moving the goal post around on you once they do get you jumping. So I'm Going Ghost on my own power and be happy all on my own, thanks.
Why then are you angry with the unhappy woman that she has been bewildered about the most important things and is become a viper instead of a human creature?
Well that's what happened when I took the Red Pill. It made me kind of mad at first, that I wasn't able to see the viper for what it was. Once I accepted the fact that it was just a snake, I went Ghost and now I'm not angry anymore.
Courage is not inconsistent with caution. For by employing caution towards things which are really bad, it will result that we shall have confidence with respect to things which are not so.
Marriage 2.0 are really bad, Man Going Ghost are not so bad. Ok boss, got that one figured out already but thanks for validating it for me here anyway.
*Note to TradCons, throwing oneself into a really bad situation in an effort to save a civilization hell bent on destroying itself is not my idea of courage.
[One Administrator says], "But I can throw into prison any man whom I please." - So you can do with a stone. "But I can beat with sticks whom I please." - So you may an ass. This is not a governing of men. Show us what is profitable to us, and we will follow it: show us what is unprofitable, and we will turn away from it. Make us imitators of yourself, as Socrates made men imitators of himself. For he was like a governor of men, who made them subject to him their desires, their aversion, their movements towards an object and their turning away from it. - Do this: don to do this: if you do not obey, I will throw you into prison. - This is not governing men like rational animals.
It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out but even back then the Greeks must have had their share of control freaks. I don't think he is saying it's ok to go do anything you want but rather not to force others to "Man Up" when it is not in their best interests.
That we ought with caution to enter into familiar intercourse with men. If a man has frequent intercourse with others either for talk, or drinking together, or generally for social purposes, he must either become like them, or change them to his own fashion. Since then the danger is so great, we must cautiously enter into such intimacies with those of the common sort, and remember that it is impossible that a man can keep company with one who is covered with soot without being partaker of the soot himself.
Another reason to Go Ghost is when I'm around Blue Pill men. They can't seem to build themselves up without tearing some other guy down. I try to get away from them as soon as they approach or else I won't come away without feeling dirty myself.
That we ought not to be disturbed by any news. When any thing shall be reported to you which is of a nature to disturb, have this principle in readiness, that the news is about nothing which is within the power of your will.
This one would apply to most media and some of the alternate media which is all doom porn.
The Hellenes are going to die destroyed by the Trojans. And why did you come hither? Was your desire in any danger? Was your aversion? Was your movement? Was your avoidance of things? He replies, "No, but the wife of my brother was carried off." Was it not then a great gain to be deprived of an adulterous wife?
Ha, that's how I feel about Feminism, it did me a favor in the end.
"Shall we be despised then by the Trojans?" What kind of people are the Trojans, wise or foolish? If they are wise, why do you fight with them? If they are fools, why do you care about them?
That's right, if they want them they can have them.
See God has sent you a man to show you that it is possible. Loot at me, who am without a city, without a house, without possessions, without a slave; I sleep on the ground; I have no wife, no children, no praetorium, but only the earth and heavens, and one poor cloak. And what do I want? Am I not without sorrow? am I not without fear? Am I not free?
Preach on brother Epictetus!
The man who is not under restraint is free, to whom things are exactly in that state in which he wishes them to be; but he who can be restrained or compelled or hindered or thrown into any circumstance against his will is a slave.
Precisely why shaming doesn't work on a Ghost anymore. It is an effort to throw him back into a situation against his will on his own power. I refuse to be slaves to Female Approval and it will take a great deal more than shaming to get me playing that game again.
To this matter before all you must attend, that you be never so closely connected with any of your former intimates or friends as to come to the same acts as he does. If you do not observe this rule, you will ruin yourself.
Personally I like to keep people a certain distance at all times. If they want to be friends, fine but if they start imposing on me, acting like I owe them something, get belligerent or disrespect me then it's Ghost Time.
The wise and good man neither himself fights with any person, nor does he allow another, so far as he can prevent it.
If other men are not being instigated by women into attacking me they usually try to provoke me into taking a swing at them. In either situation I don't argue or get flustered, I just wait them out until they realize it's going to be more trouble than it's worth. On other hand I don't get involved when others are fighting it out either, it's none of my business, I leave the area and Go Ghost.
Remembering this Socrates managed his own house and endured a very ill-tempered wife and a foolish son. For in what did she show her bad temper? In pouring water on his head as much as she liked, and in trampling on the cake sent him.
Filed that under the more things change the more they stay the same.
When a man has seemed to us to have talked with candor about his own affairs, how is it that at last we are ourselves also induced to discover to him our own secrets and we think this to be candid behavior? In the first place it seems unfair for a man to have listened to the affairs of his neighbor, and not to communicate to him also in turn our own affairs. Indeed men are often accustomed to say, I have told you all my affairs, will you tell me nothing of your own? Besides we have also this opinion that we can safely trust him who has already told us his own affairs; for the notion rises in our mind that this man could never divulge our affairs because he would be cautions that we also should not divulge his.
Now as this man has confidently entrusted his affairs to me, shall I also do so to any man whom I meet? No, for when I have heard, I deep silence, if I am of such a disposition; but he goes forth and tells all men what he has heard.
Very important, a Ghost says nothing to anyone that isn't strictly business and related to the job only. If he does have to say something additionally, he pretends like he doesn't know anything or throws out a bunch of happy-go-lucky fluff that doesn't mean anything. Be especially careful around Mr. Friendly who goes around getting in peoples business and bending anyone's ear who will listen. This type is looking for information he can use to stir up strife between others. Be friendly in return but Go Ghost at Warp Speed and stay away from them.
No man is free who is not master of himself.
Well that's it then.
There is plenty more where that came from, some of it is a little difficult to follow though. Just as I thought I was on to something it spirals off into other things but those are the ones that did stand out for me and it all validates why I've Gone Ghost.
The life of a Ghost is pure freedom compared to that of a Blue Pill Beta Provider who's adulterous wife will cuckold him with some type of Bad Boy. Once that happens, she will turn on him in the worst posible ways. There is no way in hell I'm going to put myself in either one of those positions playing the role of the Bad or the Nice Guy when I can just as easily Go Ghost.
The job pays better and you can't beat the hours.
Gone Ghosting... and maybe buffalo hunting, too.
at 12:50:00 AM