Some Anonymous commenter was kind enough to link a very tragic and all too familiar story about yet another dad overwhelmed by a corrupt family court system who took his life. If there is one thing that MGTOW, PUA and MRA have in common it would be that Marriage 2.0 is permanently off the table. It's off for the very reason yet another man took his life. Men don't stand a snowballs chance in in hell in the Divorce / Family Court Industrial Complex. But anyway we know all that and after I read the article over at AVfM I do what I normally do and see what others had to say about it. Well at one point someone had pointed out that the blame for the corruption in the system shouldn't be solely placed on the system itself. That maybe the corruption is being facilitated by one gender and these tragedies would not be taking place in the large numbers they are if the system didn't have their cooperation. I happen to agree but not being an MRA I don't have a dog in this fight and not being a member of AVfM I'll say what I have to say here. My solution as MGTOW is to simply not participate in my own destruction in the first place. Don't give any woman a chance to use the system to clean me out. Simple as that. One person did not agree however and the rationalization hamster scurried to the defense.
@ Paul Elam -
“I advise you to consider that the ex wife in this situation may not be a likable person, but the problem, as always, resides in a corrupt legal system.”
I disagree with your conclusion. Not the part about the ex wife not being likable (I’m sure she isn’t). But the part about a corrupt legal system. The problem is not a corrupt legal system. There are and always have been bad laws and bad governments, corrupt systems and people. More than 2,500 yrs ago, Plato wrote: “Responsible people don’t need laws to be responsible and irresponsible people will always find ways to violate laws.”
The problem is not the system, laws or government but the women (and it is more than predominantly the women as easily documented by comparing divorce records before and after the late sixties). No one forces women to use bad laws and government and corrupt systems to persecute and defraud innocent men and their children. It’s a choice. And they know the consequences.
And like with all choices, its consequences rest solely on the individual. Not a government, system, laws, hormones, circumstances, stress or anything else. Excusing the irresponsible, criminal and evil behavior of women (and again it is mostly women) for their choices transfers responsibility to and enslaves their victims (real victims – men).
Please stop excusing the irresponsible and criminal behavior of women on laws, government and systems. Put the blame where it belongs: women. If women cannot hold themselves responsible or accountable for their own behavior and the system and government denies their responsibility or accountability in exchange for votes, then how can women be allowed to vote.
There are no rights without responsibilities. The representation of women by government has been a problem for all the four-thousand years of history. It has helped neither them nor anyone else. The only ones it has helped are psychopaths. No one has found a solution yet. And there likely isn’t one except repeal of the Nineteenth Amendment.
All that being written, thank you for exercising courage and standing up to these bullies.
Here it comes... squeeeeeeeeeak... the herd will never be held accountable... not allowed here buddy!!!
◦ Suzy Enola
Umm, isn’t it the the “government, system, laws,” that are doing the “excusing” of ” irresponsible and criminal behavior?”
◾ Darryl Jewett
It’s the women who are doing the behavior. The government wouldn’t have to excuse it in exchange for votes and absolute power if the behavior didn’t exist in the first place. Again, no one forced the women to do what they do. Just because the government, system and laws excuse it doesn’t mean the women have to do it. If you don’t understand this fundamental principal then what are you doing in the MRM?
◾ Suzy Enola
What I’m doing in the MHRM is a shit-ton of activism, every single day.
Nobody forces anyone to give in to the temptation to take full selfish advantage of institutionalized opportunities for corruption. It is not primarily a gender issue. If you don’t understand this fundamental principle, what are YOU doing in the MRM?
Right, nobody is forcing them so why are they doing it? Yes it is a gender issue that's why they call it the "Men's" Rights Movement. Which I'm not in but I can make the distinction.
I'm not the only one that noticed this either.
◾ Chris Mackney
Suzy, “it’s not a gender issue”. Oh really? THen why don’t we see tens of millions of MEN destroying women in divorce? Nope, it’s the other way around.
You women are sickening, you are not even capable of morality or integrity or honor. You are a subhuman, Suzy.
◾ Suzy Enola
Grrr... that's it!!! ninja hamster fly's out of cage... squeak, squeak, squeak... chop, chop, chop...
You are a bigot. One of our primary goals here is to expose, fight and reject bigotry.
I’m a bigot? You’re the one coming onto a site that talks about MEN WHO KILL THEMSELVES and rather than hold the WOMEN ACCOUNTABLE, you attack the men on here.
Suzy, how do you even live with yourself? You are an evil sociopathic monster, you are just as evil as his wife.
◾ Suzy Enola
” coming onto a site” ?????
Wow, you really have no clue whatsoever what goes on around here, have you? For just a tiny hint, why don’t you scroll up to the top of the page and check the staff roster?
Get your sorry ass off AVfM’s coattails.
Yeap, history repeating itself and she is making the point for the guy acting the way she is.
You need to calm down. Suzy is part of the staff here and has shown over and over again that she will fight for the rights of men and boys. I think perhaps her phrasing was a tad clumsy, as she recognizes that family court bias IS a gendered issue, but it’s not “women collectively” who are responsible, and women who recognize the problem and want to help need to be welcomed–which is what Suz has tireless years of doing. So cool your jets pal.
We'll let mister White Knight have the last word. Look guys you are never going to even begin to resolve this problem which you say you activate for unless you acknowledge the root cause of the problem. The complete and utter inability of the female herd to accept any mature responsibility, as displayed by your Female MRA, as to who is predominately destroying the lives of men and children around them. This out of control divorce rate in the western world is fueled by the petty vindictive nature of females with no regard as to how it affects others. The court systems have figured this out, are cashing in on it and I almost don't blame them for doing so. If I have heard these stories once I have heard them a million times. Most men are getting blind sided by divorce they don't want which they end up having to pay for with everything they got. Even their lives at times. What is bringing all this on? I know what. They get in their little circles and it becomes a contest to see who the most miserable is. Who is not haaaaapppeeeeeeeeeeeee. Who's husband, future ex-husband or ex is the biggest bag of trash that ever walked the face of the earth. This is said about perfectly good men trying their hearts out. It's unbelievable, it's disgusting, it should be pointed out and not allowed to go unchallenged just because a hamster squeaks f off. So what you got is a system and a gender that have no incentives to change. Even if you did manage to get some type of reformation bills put up they would never pass. That would be turning back the clock and all the rest of the cheap sloganeering would come out in force. Forget about changing the system. The only thing any man can change is the world around him. Don't become a target for these predators. Don't be meat for the grinder. Stay out of it. This thing will collapse all by itself because when female despotism takes over it always does. MGTOW... Really, really enjoying the decline.